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Jul 18, 2005
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Sometimes it feels that our unveiling of LID in December last year caused
"everybody" to also quickly come up with "their" own
light-weight scheme (more probably a side effect of 2005 being the year of digital
identity than any conspiracy theories...) After
OpenID,
the latest entry, published today, is
Passel, which was
developed jointly "since December 28, 2004" (per announcement to
the idworkshop@googlegroups.com mailing list) by people from Ping
Identity and Jabber Inc., the two
Andre Durand companies.
I haven't had too much time yet to look at the gory details, but here are my
observations so far:
- It uses e-mail addresses as identifiers — similar to LID's use of URLs,
and certainly much easier to understand than yet another new identifier scheme
as some other systems do. Assuming they can make it work — there are some
substantial difficulties e.g. with spam filters — that would be a good
idea I'd think (Opaque reference in the
white paper:
"Identifiers are email addresses or other common addresses"...
whatever that means.)
- It doesn't seem to be REST-ful (it doesn't treat identies as first-class
objects that are addressable as far as I see), but it also isn't SOAP/WS-*
based. Hmm.
- Identity requirements discovery seems to be tied to HTML-only content.
- Surprisingly, given where they come from, they don't even mention Jabber
once! I would have thought people from Jabber and Ping would tie their
system to Jabber/XMPP,
not e-mail, along the lines I
blogged about
earlier.
- Requires the use of
https. Sounds like a good idea from a
security perspective, but a bad idea from an adoption perspective. (We
struggled with this in LID, and decided to allow both, so people could
make their own tradeoffs)
- It defines a number of new XML schemas, including a new schema for VCard
content. I think that is probably a mistake: while Microsoft can probably
force through a new version of VCard content as part of InfoCard, I doubt
that Passel can; in my mind, neither is a wise incompatbility with what
works already. And neither identity scheme will be successful if the
exchange of the actual identity information isn't interoperable. We rather
stick with VCards in LID... and gpg, and XPath and and and...
- It claims it complies with all of Kim Cameron's
Laws
of Identity, although I think this would require more discussion than
they have in the current documentation. It's hard to get all the stuff out
at the same time ... looking forward to reading more.
- While there are implementations in 4 programming languages (wow!), Java, C#,
PHP and Perl, the code they have published on their site is curiously small.
(But I'm waiting for their promised improved
subversion interface before I take a closer look). I also can't see a
Passel demo, or anything that actually puts real usable functionality together
like we have with our
Lid Demo User
and FirstSSO and blog
software and so forth. So
for now, it seems we have to take them at their word that all the use cases
described in the white paper actually work; but given who Passel's authors are:
Dave Smith (aka dizzyd) and
Peter Saint-Andre, I
have no doubt they can make it work, they are very senior and experienced people whom
I have great respect for.
But there is one thing that really confuses me:
- Chapter 3 in the
white paper
is titled "Passel as an Identity Meta-System". It is
Ping Identity that paid for Passel,
that, two months ago, shared the stage with the Microsoft
CTO at Digital Identity World, to announce (and demo) their joint plans
around Microsoft Infocard, Microsoft's proposal for an Identity
Meta-System. There is widespread agreement in the industry that an identity meta-system
is only an identity meta-system if it is ubiquitous and has no competition ...
So what do I make out of that chapter 3? From what I can tell, there is basically
zero technical commonality between Passel and InfoCard. There must be a simple
explanation that I simply fail to see right now. (looking for comments)
BTW, a correction: unlike what the Passel white paper claims, LID does support third-party
confirmed assertions (and not just self assertions), using an as we think highly
innovative approach that puts a premium on privacy.
But nevertheless: welcome to the club of "light-weight" identity
schemes. I knew you guys would eventually come around ;-)
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Jul 18, 2005
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This seems to be a non-trivial problem. Would be great if people reading this
had some ideas or pointers to share ...
Say you come across a site that is single-sign-on enabled (such as LID SSO enabled).
How does the site communicate...
- to you, a human user, that you might be able to take better advantage of it
if you logged in using your LID personal digital identity;
- to a non-human client, such as a software agent, that the good stuff
is only available to authenticated users?
We have to look at this in the context of internet scale. Today we don't have
widespread SSO on the net, so today this is a somewhat smallish problem. Because
we all had to sign up individually with Amazon, Ebay and whatever other sites, we
are likely to remember (if not our passwords, at least that we might have
signed up somewhere). And if we don't, the login dialog on the front page
might jiggle our memories. But once SSO is prevalent across the net, chances
are, many more sites will (at least will attempt to) take advantage
to know who their visitors are. So many more sites will become
"relying parties" than we have sites with a user registration
scheme today. How do they tell us that they can? Similarly, a software agent
must have some computable form of finding out whether a given site is SSO-enabled
or not.
Here are some of the choices I see for the user interface:
- "free for all": every site does it the way they want, and there is no
common look and feel (and behavior) to SSO across sites.
- "only a common login dialog": here's an example for the
tentative LID 2.0 common login dialog:

That allows users to identify login dialogs on different sites as belonging
to the same SSO system, but that does neither address how to log back out
nor help them remember at which sites they are authenticated if they rapidly
click back and forth between sites. (Firefox's and Safari's Tabbed Browsing
features encourage concurrent, independent browsing sessions and thus make it
even harder for the user to remember where they are logged in and where not.)
- "browser bar" with SSO functionality that pops up whenever the user interacts
with an SSO-enabled page, similar to the way Mozilla pops up their
"site navigation bar" when it comes across HTML tags such as
<link rel="Start" href="/">.
Here's an example from the CNN
website:

The disadvantage of that is obviously that its functioning depends on an
installed browser plug-in, and it's also one level removed from the interaction
between site and user.
- Some sort of "style guide" for SSO-enabled websites that they would have to
adhere to. For example, one could say: if you want to announce to the world
that your site is LID SSO-enabled, put the following logos in the top right
corner of your site:
| Displayed item |
Meaning |
Action |
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Understands SSO, but currently not logged in. |
Clicking on it leads to a login dialog. |
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Currently logged in. |
Clicking on it logs off. |
Alternatively, the currently logged in display could be like this:
http://netmesh.info/jernst
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Currently logged in with this LID identity. |
Clicking on icon logs off. Clicking on URL goes to LID URL itself. |
or some variation of it.
A similar problem exists for non-human clients. One could simply add a new field to
the HTML header (but that would then limit the scheme to HTML content). Or one could
set a special cookie indicating a relying party. Or one could add a new HTTP header.
To us, none of those is very obviously the leading contender.
I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some pre-existing work on that subject, usability
studies, that kind of thing. Anybody have any pointers? I'd really appreciate it.
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